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Why there are nobody here throw protest to the government with the way they treat Danish citizens who are married / in relationship with foreigners?

It's obvious that you as a Danish citizen lose your right to be together with your partner without too much trouble. I could see that there are people in here who have to shell 50.000 kr or more just so that their partners / girlfriends / boyfriends could come to the country and another sum of the money so that they could stay.

Not only that you would lose your rights as Danish citizens because you are no longer able to receive social benefits from the government due to your foreign partners? It does no longer matter how much you have worked and paid tax for years, your family pay tax, your grandparents pay tax but you lose your rights to receive help from the government when you need it just because you're married to foreigners? Isn't that discrimination of some sort?

It's obviously not enough just to talk about the rights a Danish citizen lose just because they're married to foreigners, but what about the foreigners themselves?

The state, the politicians often talk how much they want foreigners / immigrants to get into the job market, but what is the truth behind that? That they are not willing to hire anyone without Danish last name, without fluent "pæredansk" Danish accent and that foreigners are usually "reserved" for low paid jobs only.

Isn't that also discrimination that your husband / wife / partner whatever who probably has education from home but he / she found out that she had to start from zero again once in Denmark? That nobody is willing to give her decent job according to their education level (or even previous work experience) just because

"this is Denmark, and you don't speak Danish well..." so you could only get cleaning jobs, for example.

This is utterly ridiculous and this practice has been going on for years! Yet nobody really make a protest to the government about this.

When I say protest, I mean real protest, a big one, the one that could turn Denmark to comply with EU immigration rule, for example for because what Denmark actually is: a member of EU.

For the past 4 years I have been living in Denmark, I have seen government throwing ridiculous laws and rules, but nobody really stand up to challenge them, look at other countries - they are willing to defend their own rights that they'd do anything to make the government change, even if they are successful or not in the end.

Even when that stupid multimediaskat is applied early this year, nobody throws a protest when it means teachers are no longer willing to bring home their computers so that they could prepare lesson at home. What does it mean to your kids? Degradation in education!

...and that's just an example on how many many things are changed here the way the government see fits, not according to what the citizens wants.

It's time for you - and I believe there are many of you, Danes and foreigners alike - gather and voice out what you have experienced all these years, all the troubles, the problems, the insecurity, the waiting - just because you happen to fall in love with someone outside the border.

is that fair?

I don't think so

If Danes in general were unaware of the consequences of the laws their politicians are making, a public protest might help to raise awareness and make change.

In this case, however, you can't claim that the general public is unaware of the ongoing political issues of foreigners in Denmark. It's a daily subject in the news and has been so for more than a decade. And unfortunately, the majority of the population seems to support the Danish politicians in this regard.

In the past, Danish governments used to make broad agreements across the parliament in these kind of big issues but under the current coalition government, it's been a narrow majority dictating the laws and ignoring the opposition.

skaanebo,

I'm talking about big protest, rally on the street. there are surely a lot of you who are married to foreigners and double that numbers with the foreign spouses.

I do know that Danes (who are not in relationship with foreigners) are already aware of the ridiculous immigration law you have in Denmark, but I see they're ignorance just because it doesn't affect them. Even if it does, I only see passiveness, that most people would just bow down to the rules, no matter how unfair it is to provide 60,000 kr guarantee just to get married to a foreigner when one doesn't need that amount when you're married to another Dane.

It's just an example how much injustice the government has imposed to you and to my husband alike because they chose to marry someone from outside Denmark.

If nobody puts up a fight, the government would easily slide more and more restrictive rule to the law and soon nobody will be able to marry outside the border anymore. The country would give "punishment" for Danes who are married to foreigners, they are already doing it at the moment.

This is ridiculous in my point of view, that my husband himself just meekly put up with the regulation, pay 60.000 kr in deposit, submit all his life history, apartment contract in return that he wouldn't allow to get any kind of help when he needs it - just because of ME.

Unfair, yes. Even a number of human rights organisations, both nationally and internationally, have criticized the Danish government for those laws. To no avail since this has become a key issue in the government coalition's election promises.

Then again, just consider how much red tape your husband would meet, should you choose to live in your home country of Indonesia. It's not necessarily any easier there. Lots of countries have made it difficult to migrate. Immigrants are easy scape-goats in today's society, whether it be in Denmark or Indonesia.

In any case, luckily Denmark is part of the EU. And as such the door is open to avoid the national Danish laws. You and your husband simply have to move to another EU or EEA country such as Norway for a short period of time, such as 10 weeks. Then you can return to Denmark using the principles of free movement within the EU and EEA and your Danish husband and yourself will once and for all be free of all the Danish regulations in this regard and you can apply as the spouse of an EU citizen instead of that of a Danish citizen. Which makes life a lot easier. You will get a 5 year residence card which after 5 years in Denmark will become permanent. And your husband won't have to put up with a huge amount of money as a guarantee to the government.

About making public protests: These have been made in the past, even ÆUG, the society behind this forum, has made public protests at the city hall square in Copenhagen. And nothing much has come of it, unfortunately.

To tell you the truth I don't know how much difficult it would be if my husband moves to Indonesia but he (or in this case I) wouldn't be required to put on a deposit or with the 24 year old rule and so on.

Sure, now there's the EU rule that makes things a little bit easier. But I'm talking in general, what about back then when UDLST decided conveniently to hide this fact to majority of Danes? Shouldn't there be something done about it?

When it's worse out there in the world, it doesn't mean that we're giving up and stopping to improve things. This is exactly the kind of thing I don't like about living in Denmark. Whenever I start to criticize the country for something, there's always someone who points out that it's worse in Korea, or China, or US for that matter.

So what? It's about Denmark, your country, and about your rights. Perhaps some of us feel easy to go through the rules, but what about those broken hearted who got rejections?

Are we naïve enough to say: Well, we're thankful that we're not them? Shouldn't we fight as well?

Yes, I happen to be aware of the protests made by ÆUG. But those happen how often? Once a year, perhaps? It's not enough.

But I could very well see your points and hence I am giving up this thread. Apparently, there's nothing big enough to make you all stand up and protests, as long as some of you could safely go through the rules, then the world is all comfortable.

Indonesia made worldwide headlines recently with a law proposal that foreign men who marry Indonesians should deposit 55,000 USD to the Indonesian government! See here for instance:

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/can ... uld/378091

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010 ... heads.html

Lunacy and unfair treatment to foreigners anywhere seems to be the trend these days.

Lots of expats in Indonesia also find themselves commuting to Singapore, Malaysia or East Timor every month, every 2 months or every 6 months to renew their visas since they are not allowed to stay for long. So I'm not so sure it would be any easier for your husband to move to Indonesia than for you to move to Denmark. Every country has its own bureaucracy.

In the case of Denmark, lots of protests and international outcries have been made but what can you do if nobody will listen, the government in particular? The only thing you can do is vote for somebody else next time you get to the ballot box - that is, if you can vote at all. Danes who move in exile with their loved ones because they can't cope with the Danish bureaucracy lose their right to vote! Ironic, isn't it? First they kick you out of the country because you wish to live with the person you love, then they strip you of your rights to vote...

More and more Danish/foreign couples use the EU regulations on unification. The number will rapidly increase after the latest tightens in the national regulations.

You can also choose to see the increasing number of couples, who use the EU-regulations as a kind of protest to the national government.

Well I can say that I was going mad earlier this year with the treatment of me (danish man) and my wife (armenian)...we are married since 13 years, have two children (both danish passport) but have been living abroad since more than 10 years (had our own company abroad). All issue arised due to the fact that I sold our company 1 year ago and have not had any income since then when we arrived to Denmark beginning 2010....so no job, almost no income in 2009 but purchased a house in Denmark cash in the name of me and my wife....so this was more or less considered illegal and we were seconds from leaving the country again and only one phone call to the head of Udlaendingestyrelsen saved Denmark our future income and possibly 2-3 new jobs later this year !

it is really amazing how you can treat people who are proving to be married since 13 years and having 2 children together....letters and phone conversations were like we were criminals....Denmark is not the country I left 20 years ago, so who knows if we are going to stay....right now 50/50 chances !

omg shit. i m happy that i m not a citizen of here.otherwise i also was treated like a criminal
got married in sweden.

thewriter78 skrev:To tell you the truth I don't know how much difficult it would be if my husband moves to Indonesia but he (or in this case I) wouldn't be required to put on a deposit or with the 24 year old rule and so on.

Sure, now there's the EU rule that makes things a little bit easier. But I'm talking in general, what about back then when UDLST decided conveniently to hide this fact to majority of Danes? Shouldn't there be something done about it?

When it's worse out there in the world, it doesn't mean that we're giving up and stopping to improve things. This is exactly the kind of thing I don't like about living in Denmark. Whenever I start to criticize the country for something, there's always someone who points out that it's worse in Korea, or China, or US for that matter.

So what? It's about Denmark, your country, and about your rights. Perhaps some of us feel easy to go through the rules, but what about those broken hearted who got rejections?

Are we naïve enough to say: Well, we're thankful that we're not them? Shouldn't we fight as well?

Yes, I happen to be aware of the protests made by ÆUG. But those happen how often? Once a year, perhaps? It's not enough.

But I could very well see your points and hence I am giving up this thread. Apparently, there's nothing big enough to make you all stand up and protests, as long as some of you could safely go through the rules, then the world is all comfortable.

Reading this link?
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3759
Would that not make you change your opinion? Because I felt just like you, after a rejection on my husbands EU right, and mine of course, to stay with me in Holland.