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(Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van State (

: 23.12.2013 23:54:37
af change
I hope this is a good Christmas present for my Denmark brothers and sisters? :lol: This is my governments :roll: :twisted: face now!

Dear people, i have been away for a long time, but i have some good news for you. My government has asked Prejudicial question at the Higher Court of Justice and the General Advocate has given a conclusion, we are confidant that the Court takes that advice fully. My complained is in it final stages, and the Commission is about to send it off to the Court of Justice. This conclusion points out that Denmark and Holland do it wrong and are not in line with Union law.
OPINION OF ADVOCATE GENERAL Sharpston
delivered on 12 December 2013 (1)
Case C‑456/12
Minister voor Immigratie, Integratie en Asiel, Holland.
Case C‑457/12
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/d ... cid=409353

See for info on my case: viewtopic.php?t=3759

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 24.12.2013 00:06:20
af change
Procedure and questions referred

35. In Case C-456/12 O, the referring court asks: :arrow:

‘In [the] cases [involving B] and [involving O]:

(1) Should Directive 2004/38 …, as regards the conditions governing the right of residence of members of the family of a Union citizen who have third-country nationality, be applied by analogy, as in the judgments of the Court of Justice of the European Communities in Case C‑370/90 Singh [(3)] … and in Case C‑291/05 Eind [(4)] …, where a Union citizen returns to the Member State of which he is a national after having resided in another Member State in the context of Article 21(1) [TFEU], and as the recipient of services within the meaning of Article 56 [TFEU]?

(2) If so, is there a requirement that the residence of the Union citizen in another Member State must have been of a certain minimum duration if, after the return of the Union citizen to the Member State of which he is a national, the member of his family who is a third-country national wishes to gain a right of residence in that Member State?

(3) If so, can that requirement then also be met if there was no question of continuous residence, but rather of a certain frequency of residence, such as during weekly residence at weekends or during regular visits?

In [the] case [involving B]:

(4) As a result of the time which elapsed between the return of the Union citizen to the Member State of which he is a national and the arrival of the family member from a third country in that Member State, in circumstances such as those of the present case, has there been a lapse of possible entitlement of the family member with third-country nationality to a right of residence derived from Union law?’

36. In Case C-457/12 S, the referring court asks:

‘(1) In [the] case [involving G]:

Can a member, having third-country nationality, of the family of a Union citizen who lives in the Member State of which he is a national but who works in another Member State for an employer established in that other Member State derive, in circumstances such as those of the present case, a right of residence from Union law?

(2) In [the] case [involving S]:

Can a member, having third-country nationality, of the family of a Union citizen who lives in the Member State of which he is a national but who, in the course of his work for an employer established in that same Member State, travels to and from another Member State derive, in circumstances such as those of the present case, a right of residence from Union law?’

==Strange he, that after so many years our government takes 8 years and thousands of rejected families, in Holland alone, before they stop giving wrong verdicts, why did it have to take so long, 1992 Arrest Singh?!?
Whom is stupid here?!
What about Denmark?
Will they change their policy one,s the verdict on this ruling is known?
==

Conclusion

159. In the light of the foregoing considerations, I am of the opinion that the Court should answer the questions raised by the Raad van State to the following effect:

In Case C‑456/12 O:

(1) Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States does not apply directly to EU citizens returning to their Member State of nationality. However, the Member State of nationality may not give such EU citizens less favourable treatment than that owed to them as a matter of EU law in the Member State from which they moved to their Member State of nationality. As a result, Directive 2004/38 indirectly sets out the minimum standard of treatment that a returning EU citizen and his family members must enjoy in the EU citizen’s Member State of nationality.

(2) EU law does not require an EU citizen to have resided for any minimum period of time in another Member State in order for his third country national family members to claim a derived right of residence in the Member State of nationality to which the EU citizen then returns.

(3) An EU citizen exercises his right of residence in another Member State if he makes that Member State the place where the habitual centre of his interests lies. Provided that, when all relevant facts are taken into account, that test is satisfied, it is irrelevant in this context whether that EU citizen keeps another form of residence elsewhere or whether his physical presence in the Member State of residence is regularly or irregularly interrupted.

(4) Where time elapses between the return of the EU citizen to the Member State of which he is a national and the arrival of the third country national family member in that Member State, the family member’s entitlement to a derived right of residence in that Member State does not lapse provided that the decision to join the EU citizen is taken in the exercise of their right to a family life.

In Case C‑457/12 S:

Where an EU citizen residing in his Member State of nationality exercises rights of free movement in connection with his employment, the right of his third country national family members to reside in that State depends on the closeness of their family connection with the EU citizen and on the causal connection between the family’s place of residence and the EU citizen’s exercise of rights of free movement. In particular, the family member must enjoy a right of residence if denying that right would cause the EU citizen to seek alternative employment that would not involve the exercise of rights of free movement or would cause him to move to another Member State. It is irrelevant in that regard whether the EU citizen is a frontier worker or exercises his right of free movement in order to fulfil his contract of employment concluded with an employer based in his Member State of nationality and residence.

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 24.12.2013 00:14:59
af change
Read carefully and if you have questions, feel free to ask?

As we can read she explains that our Union right are indeed ours and we, DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER IN AN OTHER MEMBER STATE, IN ORDER TO GAIN LEGAL STAY FOR OUR SPOUSES OR FAMILY MEMBERS WHOM FALL UNDER ARTICLE 2, OF DIRECTIVE/38/EU, upon our return, they can come from outside Europe, to join us in our home state directly! And she explains that there is no time like 3 weeks, or 6 months, we have to be there and what we have to do, to gain our Union rights. Our highest court, should get some schooling!?! What a shame after Arrest Singh, Metock and Carpenter, Eind etc, how can we trust our judges ever again, if they rule, but not know what they are doing!?! Or do they know very well what they are doing and want to spoil our lives just because we married a foreigner, whom we now, our government rather sees going than welcoming them!?! The RvS only asked these questions because they knew there is a upcoming sentence from the Court because of my request, of a ruling, on the unjust request of the Netherlands, to forcibly have to live in an other member state were that is not a requirement in the Directive as we well know from the Arrest(s), named by Sharpston. Yea, too bad if you cant even understand European law, but instead, pretend to know!

Best greetings from Change, I was named, zandvoortzandvoort , on this blog before. :)

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 24.12.2013 12:28:52
af fundiver199
Thank you for the report and merry X-mas to you and your family :D

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 24.12.2013 14:04:15
af change
The same to you, after or at any time available, can we discuss the conclusion, I like to know what the situation is on the ground in Denmark, on the explained issues?

Gr Change

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 26.12.2013 20:23:02
af fundiver199
change skrev:(1) Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States does not apply directly to EU citizens returning to their Member State of nationality. However, the Member State of nationality may not give such EU citizens less favourable treatment than that owed to them as a matter of EU law in the Member State from which they moved to their Member State of nationality. As a result, Directive 2004/38 indirectly sets out the minimum standard of treatment that a returning EU citizen and his family members must enjoy in the EU citizen’s Member State of nationality.
This just line up, how it has already been since Akrich in 1992. Nothing new here.
change skrev:EU law does not require an EU citizen to have resided for any minimum period of time in another Member State in order for his third country national family members to claim a derived right of residence in the Member State of nationality to which the EU citizen then returns.

An EU citizen exercises his right of residence in another Member State if he makes that Member State the place where the habitual centre of his interests lies. Provided that, when all relevant facts are taken into account, that test is satisfied, it is irrelevant in this context whether that EU citizen keeps another form of residence elsewhere or whether his physical presence in the Member State of residence is regularly or irregularly interrupted.
This is all pretty much in line with present danish interpretation in my opinion. After this clarification there might be a slightly increased room though for people living far away from a border to keep a second residence in Denmark and sleep there even for 4 nights (Monday to Friday) during a working week. Until now we have adviced people to not sleep at such a second residence for more than a maximum of 3 nights pr. week.
change skrev:Where time elapses between the return of the EU citizen to the Member State of which he is a national and the arrival of the third country national family member in that Member State, the family member’s entitlement to a derived right of residence in that Member State does not lapse provided that the decision to join the EU citizen is taken in the exercise of their right to a family life.
This will lead to changes in the current danish interpretation. But it is hardly an earthshakingly important one, because most cupples already move together anyway. And there is already some room to let the foreign spouse move later, if there is a special reason for this like a work contract, which must first be finished.
change skrev:Where an EU citizen residing in his Member State of nationality exercises rights of free movement in connection with his employment, the right of his third country national family members to reside in that State depends on the closeness of their family connection with the EU citizen and on the causal connection between the family’s place of residence and the EU citizen’s exercise of rights of free movement. In particular, the family member must enjoy a right of residence if denying that right would cause the EU citizen to seek alternative employment that would not involve the exercise of rights of free movement or would cause him to move to another Member State. It is irrelevant in that regard whether the EU citizen is a frontier worker or exercises his right of free movement in order to fulfil his contract of employment concluded with an employer based in his Member State of nationality and residence.
This is by far the part, which will have the most far reaching consequences in Denmark. This is because the danish interpretation of the Carpenter case has been very narrow to the point of making it almost irrelevant. I am not sure even a single EU residence card has ever been issued in Denmark according to the principles in the Carpenter case. And this despite the fact it is now 11 years old (from 2002).

If the EU-court follows this though, then a lot of people carrying out work in another EU-country will be able to claim EU residence right for their spouse on the grounds, that if this is denied, they will see themselfes forced to move to another member country eg. the one, where they already carry out work.

This is likely to be politically controversial here and will be yet another hole in the socalled “solid and just” (robust og retfærdig) danish immigration policy. Which government bureaucrats is therefore also likely to go to lengths to find a way to “plug”, if they possibly can, by some other strange and odd misinterpretation of the ruling.

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 01.02.2014 07:03:39
af rosebead
(3) An EU citizen exercises his right of residence in another Member State if he makes that Member State the place where the habitual centre of his interests lies. Provided that, when all relevant facts are taken into account, that test is satisfied, it is irrelevant in this context whether that EU citizen keeps another form of residence elsewhere or whether his physical presence in the Member State of residence is regularly or irregularly interrupted
That conclusion has to be read in the context of paragraphs 96-111, emphasis being paid on 103 and 104 in the Opinion of Advocate General Sharpston. The inference from this then would be that the Danish government is too restrictive with its rules on "genuine and effective" residence.

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 17.02.2014 23:25:06
af change
The hearing is planned on 11 of March 2014, I heard from one of the lawyers. Can,t wait.

Read a comment.
Sunday, 16 February 2014
Family Reunion for EU citizens living in their own Member State: Clarifying the Surinder Singh and Carpenter judgments
Guest post by Chiara Berneri, Lecturer at BPP Law School

When can an EU citizen who lives in his or her own Member State claim a right under EU law to be joined by his or her family members? The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) finally has a chance to clarify its judgments in Surinder Singh and Carpenter, concerning respectively family reunion for EU citizens who move to another Member State and then return to their home State (‘returnees’), and family reunion for EU citizens who provide services in another Member State.
http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.nl/2014/0 ... mment-form

Re: (Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Raad van Sta

: 23.02.2014 03:42:53
af rosebead
Great news. Hopefully it will resolve some of the issues around Surinder Singh. For example, some of the requirements for "genuine and effective residence" are dubious. So what if you keep a residence in your home country, I don't know what that has to do with exercising your treaty rights in the EU. The original Surinder Singh case law never stipulated a condition of habitual residence. In fact Carpenter case law goes further and empathises that being able to carry out economic activity in the EU is the crux (which Mr Carpenter couldn't do if he were to be separated from his family member) and not the location of his habitual residence.