Metock case and the influence on the danish inmigration law

[zandvoortzandvoort]

That is fine, what do you think about the fact they are trying us on Zambrano too?

I think it is very much an open question, how Zambrano will be interpreted, and I also think that a lot of political talk is going on between the EU-commission and various governments on this subject.

I don't think so. because if that were the case, than they would have to know of their, the EC, opposite opinion on the Arrest? Don't you agree, that what ever is the case, the fact that they are trying my case is a conformation on that opinion? There is now way they can be in communication on that, from Redings office, to any government. That is not done. No, they are on our side and do not play along with those imposters! Claiming to follow, implement and execute, the agreements, they them self signed, when the Euro notes were shining in their eyes! They only forgot to realize, that we, the citizens are the motor of their (our), Economy! And that we were given rights that don't decline, just because we marred, or having a partner, from outside the Union! Too bad, I keep fighting for all of our rights. Will be followed up, be sure of that?

[zandvoortzandvoort]

I send a link of this side to the Commission. To the attorney whom handles our case. It is in english, and I think he will read your comments and info on the problems that you as Denish encounter suffering in the hands of an other foreigner dislike-rs, as a government, unable to give their citizen,s their given rights!



Date: 2011/4/2
Subject: Re: Your complaint registered under reference number CHAPxxxx- Reply JUST/xx Ares(2011)xxxxx
To: JUST-CITIZENSHIP@ec.europa.eu

Dear Mr xxx, how are you and how was your mission? I decided to send you this link, on the subject of our cases. Please register? It is a English site. I think you find it interesting?
Hope to hear from you any time now?

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3759

Greetings,xxx

I wanted my name to be known, so that they, will know whom brought this to the attention of the European Commission. But on request I removed it. I want them to know that I have surely gotten my rights acknowledged, by the EC , and that I will not give up, until they will be given to us, by our government, likewise all governments in the Union, whom disobey and deny our rights, as their citizen,s!

[zandvoortzandvoort]

I think he will find this discussion interesting too?
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5226

[zandvoortzandvoort]

@fundiver199: Thats true, but I can assure you that MR xxx has completed it and send it for signing, which has been approved. He confirmed that on the phone and said I would hopefully get it on Wednesday, but surely this week. And than everybody can read, that we won this matter and can than move on with it. As I said, a political party is busy preparing action to repair the case and give us our rights, finally. Believe me, if it were not true I could not have placed it on your site and others here in my country. I too, are impatiently waiting for the letter.

The office let me know last Friday, that Mr xxx has left Brussels to go on a mission and will be back coming Thursday. The legal department however are aware of the urgency of singing it, so the waiting is on them now. I keep calling and mailing them, and hopefully they do it quick, as promised. I hope that means within one or two weeks than? My husband is a very sick man and right now I am keeping him here on a medical residence reguest, he cant be insured and that is what makes our case so urgent. ( However, the Hospital treats him anyway without the insurance and that is about the only highlight here in Holland on this matter). I did however, go to Germany with him, to do the route together as they demanded, just to keep him safe, before we did that, he applied for a medical status and we are still waiting on that decision. But I keep that information before asking for a new EU request, also in the light of the change of having the first denied EU case, repaired, and also to get to know if the medical request will be denied. Because in this country they send people with Aids back. So I don't count on him getting it! He has a chronic sickness, but in this country, if you can not "prove" that you will -go to your grave- within 3 months after having been deported, they say that your life is not at risk than! How is that in your country? Is the government also practicing such methods?

[fundiver199]

I don´t really know, but I would think so. Denmark and Holland have a very similar political situation....

[zandvoortzandvoort]

I don´t really know, but I would think so. Denmark and Holland have a very similar political situation....

I have some questions, do you have a lawyer advising on the site too? We have a lawyer whom gives free advises on different, sites. Of course he gets lots of clients true that, but still it is a good thing, that we sometimes get the advice for free. I study law myself for some time now. Out of frustration! And are you also working in that field or else? Just curious to get to know the group? And was the discussion on Zambrano in Danish, for I could not find it, could you send me the link, I have danish friends, than we can go true the discussion together when the change may be there? Thank you.

[zandvoortzandvoort]

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[Kim P. Nyberg]

Zambrano-case in Danish language disgussion:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6945

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6847

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6889

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7012

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6620

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6900

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6911

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6937

Just to mention a few...

[zandvoortzandvoort]

Thanks a lot.

[zandvoortzandvoort]

removed.

[DBS]

No it´s not possible, it´s on a secure site, look at the "s" in "https"

[zandvoortzandvoort]

I, we, am still waiting. I am so sorry, it takes too long now.

The debate go,s on: http://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/forum ... sc&start=0

https://jcwi.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/a ... -zambrano/.

http://vreemdelingenrechtcom.blogspot.c ... gment.html

Take your time in reading this?

The issue of competences
An important part of this short judgment is devoted to examining the possible consequences of not granting the right of residence to the parents. The Court relies on an ‘argument from consequences’. The use of this argument is interesting and must be put into context. First of all, this is a response to the argument put forward by the Irish government before the Court, the ‘floodgates’ argument that the granting of a right of residence is liable to lead to ‘unmanageable results’, to a loss of control over immigration flows. The Court has already responded to a similar argument in a previous case, the Metock case (C-127/08). It argued that “the refusal to grant a right of entry to the family members of a Union citizen would be such as to encourage him to leave in order to lead a family life in another member state or in a non-member country”. In Zambrano, the Court states similarly that “a refusal to grant a right of residence and a work permit to the father would lead to a situation where the children would have to lead the territory of the Union”. In such reasoning, the argument from consequences in terms of individual rights prevails over the argument from consequences in terms of state control of immigration. Note however a shift between Metock and Zambrano. In Metock, the Union citizens involved had circulated within the Union: the recognition of a Union competence to regulate the conditions of entry and residence of third-country nationals was based on the need to protect the freedom of movement of European citizens. In Zambrano, the children haven’t circulated within the Union. The EU competence over the domestic competence in the field of immigration is therefore considerably widened to cover the non-mobile citizens.

(non-mobile citizens).? We all, are also non moblie EU citizens, only older than children.