Rejected SU Application

[ivank]

Hello everyone,

My name is Ivan, I am from Slovakia and I have been living and studying here since September 2017.
After long time, I finally found a real job, part-time job with the proper working hours to apply for SU.
I work at least 44hours/month, earn 90DKK/hour as a driver for one Restaurant in Aalborg.
My SU application was rejected, after 3 times of me stating against it. I had to remake my contract 3 times, my boss is really good guy who helped me with that and we edited the contract to make it clear for all and state all the things that legible contract should have (even though the 1st one was okay according to my friends). Now, after another rejection, I am so desperate that I do not know what to do next. I was already looking for a lawyer, told employees in the international school office about that but they told me that well, you dont earn the right amount of money, that I earn too low???!!!! I only know about the limits of earning too much, not too low but in my opinion, It should be even more focused on people who earn less!!! My classmates earn maybe 65DKK/hour in some clubs in Aalborg and they still got SU.. My co-workers with the same contracts get SU as well, they and my boss dont know what is wrong.

Here is what they stated:

Vi har modtaget din ansøgning om SU. Du søger SU fra april 2018og oplyser, at du arbejder 11timer om ugen ved siden af dine studier.Vi foretager altid en konkret vurdering af sagens forhold, når vi vurderer, om du kan betragtes som arbejdstager i Danmark efter EU-retten.Ifølge EU-domstolens praksis er det afgørende for, om der foreligger et arbejdsta-gerforhold, at en person i en vis periode præsterer ydelser mod vederlag for en anden og efter dennes anvisninger. For at kunne betragtes som arbejdstager gæl-der det samtidig, at beskæftigelsen skal være faktisk og reel og ikke fremstår som et marginalt supplement. Det vil som udgangspunktsige beskæftigelse i minimum 10 –12 timer hver uge i en sammenhængende og længerevarende periode på 10 uger.I vores vurdering kan vi inddrage yderligere kriterier, såsom om der er ret til betalt ferie, løn under sygdom, om der indbetales til en pensionsordning, arbejdsforhol-dets tidsmæssige udtrækning, og om man er omfattet af en overenskomst.Det fremgår af dit indsendte oplysningsskema at du vil arbejde 11 timer om ugenog af din ansættelseskontrakt fremgår det at din timeløn er 90kr. Dette giver en månedlig bruttoindkomst på 3.960kr.Vi finder efter en konkret vurdering af alle sagens oplysninger om din beskæftigel-se hos --------------------------------, at du ikke kan betragtes som arbejdstager efter EU-retten.Vi har ved vores vurdering lagt vægt på, at vi på baggrund af dit timetal og din bruttoindkomst finder, at din beskæftigelse må betragtes som et marginalt sup-plement.Ved vores vurdering har vi også lagt vægt på:-At ansættelsen ikke er omfattet af en kollektiv overenskomst, og at lønnen ligger langt fra de overenskomstforhandlede lønninger i branchen-At du ikke er garanteret et vist timetal, og at der derfor er tale om løsar-bejde-At du ikke modtager løn under sygdom-At der ikke er aftalt et opsigelsesvarsel
Side2/2Styrelsen for Institutioner og Uddannelsesstøtte-At der ikke er aftalt tillæg for merarbejde eller arbejde udenfor normal ar-bejdstidVi finder på den baggrund, at der ikke foreligger øvrige forhold omkring din ansæt-telse, som indikerer, at din beskæftigelse til trods for dit timetal og din bruttoind-komst udgør mere end et marginalt supplement.Du kan derfor ikke betragtes som arbejdstager efter EU-retten.Du vil snarest modtage et afslagsbrev i din e-Boks.Hvis du på et senere tidspunkt opfylder betingelserne for at være arbejdstager i Danmark efter EU-retten, skal du søge på ny i minSU og aflevere det særlige op-lysningsskema for udenlandske statsborgere på dit uddannelsessted. Vi vil deref-ter behandle din nye ansøgning. Vær i den forbindelse opmærksom på de gæl-dende frister for ansøgning om SU.Vi henviser til § 2 b, stk. 1, nr. 2 og stk. 2 i SU-loven (jf. lovbekendtgørelse nr. 1037 af 30. august 2017) samt til § 2, stk. 1 (SU som EU-arbejdstager) i SU-bekendtgørelsen (jf. bekendtgørelse nr. 1515af 13. december 2017).


This was the 1st mail from SU.


I remade the contract, this was the last message.

Tak for din henvendelse.



Du skriver, at du undrer dig over, at du har fået afslag på din ansøgning om SU, når der er andre ansatte hos din arbejdsgiver, der modtager SU.



Vi kan oplyse, at vi altid foretager en konkret vurdering af alle sagens oplysninger om en beskæftigelse, når vi vurderer, om en person kan betragtes som arbejdstager i EU-rettens forstand.



Efter EU-domstolens praksis er det afgørende for, om en person kan anses for at være arbejdstager, at personen i en vis periode præsterer ydelser mod vederlag for en anden og efter dennes anvisninger. Det er samtidig afgørende, at beskæftigelsen er faktisk og reel og ikke udgør det, EU-retten kalder et marginalt supplement.



Som udgangspunkt forventer vi, at personen arbejder minimum 10 - 12 timer om ugen. Da det efter EU-domstolens praksis er afgørende, at der er tale om beskæftigelse i en vis periode, forventer vi ligeledes som udgangspunkt, at personen har beskæftigelse i dette omfang hver uge i en sammenhængende periode på 10 uger.



I vores vurdering inddrager vi også kriterier, såsom om personen har ret til betalt ferie, løn under sygdom, arbejdsforholdets tidsmæssige udstrækning, samt om personen er dækket af en overenskomst. Ved vores vurdering lægger vi desuden vægt på, at personen hver måned har en bruttoindkomst af en vis størrelse.



Du skal være opmærksom på, at der er en generel pris- og lønudvikling i Danmark. Det betyder, at lønningerne generelt set stiger hvert år.



En nyansættelse, der tidligere kunne medføre status som arbejdstager, kan ikke i sig selv medføre, at du også kan betragtes som arbejdstager på baggrund af din nyansættelse i 2018 hos samme arbejdsgiver.



Derudover kan der være andre forhold, der kan medføre to forskellige vurderinger, selvom din situation måske ligger tæt op ad din kollgas. Det kan være et forskelligt arbejdstimetal, andre ansættelsesvilkår, anden beskæftigelse eller lignende.

Vi beder dig venligst oplyse, om du forsat ønsker at klage over den nævnte afgørelse. Vi skal have modtaget svar fra dig senest 14 dage fra du har modtaget denne e-mail. Vi bemærker, at en eventuel klage vil blive behandlet efter de gældende regler om klagefrist. Vi foretager os kun yderligere i din sag, hvis vi hører fra dig.




I really dont know what to do. Could anyone please help me?
I work at least 44 hours a month, usually 48. I earn 90DKK/hour.
I have residence permit, attend school everyday, I have CPR.... My coworkers get SU.
Any recommendations?

THank you for any help, i am so desperate :/

[skaanebo]

Your wage is too low and the amount of hours is not enough. That’s why they say you don’t qualify.

How do your co-workers differ? Do they work more hours or get a higher wage?

[ivank]

But how is that possible that my classmates work for lets say 65DKK/hour.
Of course I can not ask my boss for higher salary right now.....
My coworkers have the same contract and they receive SU.
What is the proper wage then?
This month, I got 2300DKK after Taxation. My classmate got 1400DKK while working the same number of hours.
So what can I do now? I changed my Contract already 3 times.

Thanks in advance

[skaanebo]

I don’t understand how your co-workers can qualify at 65 kr. per hour!

That’s insane. In fact, I believe wages should be above 100 kr. per hour to qualify.

Your work is marginal. What you can change is work even more hours.

[skaanebo]

You can read more on the subject here: http://www.su.dk/english/su-as-a-foreig ... er-eu-law/

[ivank]

Not my coworkers but my classmates who work for different restaurants get for example in Fame Aalborg 65dkk/hour and they GET SU.
How is then possible that, AT MY WORK, my colleagues get SU who work under the same conditions? They had no problems with that.
My boss told me that it is ridiculous, he had at least 5 workers who had the same contract and got the SU. The only requirement at the webpage is working 10-12 hours per week, what I work. So I dont know whats their problem.
Simply, I cannot ask my boss to give me higher salary right now after working less than one month, because I somehow dont satisfy their requirements(????!!!!!!RIDICULOUS).
How is that possible that my colleague with the same salary, same working hours, same conditions gets SU???!!!!!
HOW?

I really dont know what to do. If there is limit, I only know about the one that you cannot exceed more than 11K DKK or so im not sure.
But if you earn too low? What is then the minimal wage for working as a "Butiksassistent" in Aalborg? I cannot find anything.
If something called union wants only good for me, is this what it is??? It is really good that I am not gonna get SU and I will still ask my parents to send me thousands of Danish kroners each month and take half of their salaries? BECAUSE OF MY OWN GOOD? This is weird.
Do you know if there are any lawyers who help students with these cases? Ideally for free or cheap?
Im totally desperate, I feel like they are making fun of me. Noone from my friends dont understand this....

Thank you for any kind of help in advance

[skaanebo]

It's not just about the amount in wages or the amount in work hours. It's also a matter of your contract and its provisions in case of illness, holiday, etc.

And obviously, if you only make 2000 or 3000 a month, that won't be enough to cover your costs of living in Denmark. This is the requirement that your income is not marginal.

You can look up a free lawyer for your case by googling "Retshjælp" in your city.

[skaanebo]

And do read up on this: http://www.su.dk/english/su-as-a-foreig ... er-eu-law/

[mh1]

Are those classmates who work for 65 DKK/hour Danish or foreign?

And if foreign, how long have they been in DK before beginning to study, and are they perhaps married to a Danish person, or came to DK as spouse/co-habiting with an EU-citizen (who may be a Dane who had lived in another EU-country and thereby became an EU-citizen)?

There is no legal minimum wage in DK, but if you were organized in a labour union your wage as driver should be 137,55 DKK/hour.

And seriously, it is hardly possible to live on 2.300 DKK/month, if you have to pay rent and get food on the table. A single young person on welfare, not living at home with the parens, is paid 7.272 DKK/month before taxes, which would leave him/her about 6.000 DKK/month after taxes.

You should aim for a job where you would make 3.500-4.000 DKK/month. There is no other way for you to qualify than to find a better paid job, or work more hours. And just in case you haven't realized it: your employer is exploiting you.